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Ana Maria Schapira
and her assistant, Ana Gregori

by Jackie Ling Wong

Scene:  At her apartment with her assistant.  It's definitely one of those scenes out of a girl flick.  3 women sitting on a curved couch talking about the dance and, of course, milongueros.  Both of the women are a joy to be with and I thoroughly enjoyed the classes and private lessons I took with Ana Maria.  
Q:  How many years have you danced tango?
Ana:  I started dancing 20 years ago.


 Q:  Who were your teachers?
Ana:  My first teacher was Dina Martinez.  The classes were huge.  There would be 50 women and 10 men but I always enjoyed my classes.

I also took classes with Gustavo Naveira and his partner, Olga, at that time.  He was one of the best teachers and taught me the rhythm, the spirit of the music.

I learned how to walk from Juan Bruno, who died this Sunday.  He had a different style because he lived outside of Centro Buenos Aires.  Sometimes you could tell where someone lived by their style.  

What was interesting is that the Milongueros were at the milonga dancing, but most of the teachers were professional dancers.

The first time I went to a milonga, I didn't understand anything.  My style was open embrace with choreography and I realized at the milonga that I didn't know how to dance.  Then I met Juan Bruno and other great milongueros, many of which have passed away,  and I attended classes with them.




Q:  It's interesting that most of the teachers from Argentine that visit the USA,  teach the open embrace not milonguero which is what is used at milongas in Buenos Aires.  I think that many foreigners must come here and are surprised that
what they learned at home can not be used here on a crowded dance floor.
Ana:  I want to be polite and not say anything bad about other teachers but most of the people, who visit from other countries, realize that they need to learn something more - perhaps the music - how to lead - how to work the floor - how to communicate the feelings.  Many teachers go out of Buenos Aires and they don't know how to teach and MAYBE they know how to dance.




Q:  In the US, it is difficult to find classes that teach milonguero style. But I find it strange that even in Buenos Aires,
most of the teachers are teaching open embrace, not milonguero style.  

Ana:  I think people in Tango are very jealous of others and they are afraid to lose their students...their power.  Most of the people that teach never go to milongas.  So they teach very difficult things that can not be danced at the milonga.

I want to say...there are some young people who feel that they need something fresh so they are very creative in salon style.  So, where there is quality - it doesn't matter what you dance - but you must always respect the rhythm, the music, and the floor.

The best of Tango is when there is mix of young and old, and all of us dance together.  I like the mix and one of the ways to preserve the traditional Tango is to transmit exactly the steps of the real milonguero to the young people.

Yes, I do like dancing Nuevo Tango.  It's fun and exciting.  It's different because the body of young people don't have the experience of the hours and years of the piso. (floor)




Q:  Please describe the perfect dance?
Ana G:  I like to dance Pugliese with one dancer and D'Arienzo with another.  It would be perfect to be able to find a milonguero that can dance all well.  The person needs to be able to dance the spirit of the music.

Ana:  I also like a good embrace and a body without noises with perfect rhythm...oh, and not to hit other couples.
 He must take care of me.  Also I like good choreography.

Sometimes you can tell that the hombre is dancing in the head...thinking about the steps...they are dancing by themselves.

In Argentina, Tango is very social.  You are dancing with a partner AND you are dancing in a group.




Q:  Your class tonight was huge.  Are you seeing an increased interest in the Milonguero style?
Ana:  Yes...more people are interested in the milonguero style.  When people from other countries come here and watch the dancing at the milongas, they decide that they want to dance cheek to cheek, chest to chest.

There are always new people coming to class especially now that Tango is so fashionable.  There are many people who are 40 - 50 years old who say....." I never danced the Tango but now I want to dance because I saw my mother and father dance" or "I went on vacation and the foreigners asked me if I knew the Tango.  Now I need to learn for my next vacation."

Also young musicians in Argentina are starting to sing Tango.  And the young people want to dance to everything...Piazzolla for example.  But you know, it is impossible to dance milonguero style to Piazzolla.  Piazzolla's music is the best and it is great for the stage but not for milonguero style.

There are underground milongas...La Viruta...La Catedral..these milongas are not for me but it is true that when you go to Viruta ...late...you will see a table with Gavito and others.  They are relaxed. They eat and maybe dance folkloric.

There are so many milongas..the competition is very serious. You can have the best music, the best floor and still have only 10 - 15 persons.




Q:  Is there a difference between men and women at the milonga?  Someone once mentioned to me that the women appear to be better educated and of higher economic status than the men.
Ana:  When you are a widow or recently separated, as a woman you can feel very lonely.  She goes to Tango classes and wants to do something to meet people.  At milongas, she is not alone and it is a way to find a partner.  And yes I agree, that at milongas the women are better educated.

Some of the women pay men to be their partner.  A milonguero said once, "One milonguero is more expensive than 1 apartment with 3 rooms".

Perhaps she has her life, her family, her job in 1 hand and , in the other hand, they have the night and never mix the two.

What's interesting is that for milongueros...Tango is power. For women - Your butt is power.  




Q:  What advice would you give women?
Ana:  To have a good dance, do not lead him...wait for him always - don't hurry and, only in the dance, be a geisha and relax into his body.



Q:  Advice for men?
Ana: Don't hurry..work to have a good embrace, a relaxed dance, and work with the music and rhythm.


Q:  But the milongas are not just about the dance.  It can be driven by desire.
Ana G:   Yes...It's difficult because one hombre can accept that i just want to dance...another will never dance or notice you again. And sometimes, if I have a boyfriend, they will not dance with me.  

For milongueros, the milonga is their house...a stage for their life...all...everything important to them happens at the milonga.



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